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Posted by Tareksy
 - Sep 16, 2024, 06:01 PM
@Congra and @Rocco, the two situations you guys described above are different, those people up there were born with or at some points developed obvious anomalies.

Some women naturally have XY chromosome while some men have famale chromosome too and they are doing fine in their natural gender roles, if their society doesn't make them feel there's something about them like we now have in some part of the world, they won't believe there's anything about themselves as they grow older, but because some societies now encourage trans that's why you see these people turning out to something else.
At the end of the day, it's all boils down to the orientation given.
Posted by Tareksy
 - Sep 16, 2024, 05:31 PM
Quote from: Ruthk on Aug 04, 2024, 12:42 AMThere was a time I used to wonder how someone will wake up in his or life and decides that he or she wants to be a gay or lesbian. Like, what's in that crap to enjoy? I used to believe it's a psychological disorder.

So I started making some research and read somewhere that it's not a psychological issue but some people feel that they just do not belong to their physical gender. Like the science composition within them tell them something different from how people really see them. Hence, some of them start their journey with being gay and advance to transgender once they have the means.

PS: we shouldn't forget that not all gays are in this class, there are some that do it for irrelevant and irresponsible reasons.
It is called gender expansiveness.
Gender expansive refers to a situation where a child doesn't relate to a conventional gender role, meaning that the child isn't restricted to only one gender experience.

I personally believe the western world is taking gender expansiveness too far, in my own opinion, it's just a phase that any child with good traing could overcome, we've always been having cases of tomboys and tomgirls since time immemorial, and these people end up accepting their birth gender at some point later in life.
Posted by Rocco
 - Aug 15, 2024, 03:40 AM

This is Queen Obukoko
Who was brought into the world with both male and female S*x Organs, she now Fathers Two Kids, With One Thought To Be Intersex

While she was growing up, Queen Obukoko realize that she was unique in relation to different children, her voice was prominently thicker than that of young girls her age.

Likewise, she saw a p*nis-like development around her groin. Surprised, her parents thought it was a harmless development and taken a stab at everything to 'treat' it.

In a meeting on Facebook with media character, Lucky Udu, Obukoko said she became aware of her condition when she turned 15.

"At the point when I was youthful, I wasn't aware of my body until I was 15. At some point, I was playing with my friends in school and became pressed, so I went to ease myself with some girls.

"Whenever I need to ease myself, I typically want to do as such through a specific genital. It could emerge out of the female or the male side. Yet, on that day, the desire came from the male genital," Obukoko reviewed.

Obukoko said as she was easing herself, she got the greatest humiliation of her life.

"Every one of my friends who went to ease themselves with me called others to check me out. They were shocked to see me standing to pee as a lady.

"They said it was not right and something should be the issue with me. Then, a couple of them came before me to figure out how I could be standing to ease myself. They saw that I had a penis and some of them took off, while others saw me in wonder," she said.Queen Obukoko

Since that day, as indicated by Obukoko, life has not continued as before.

Whenever she wants to ease herself and there is no bathroom close by, the she said she gets ensnared by according to passers-by, who gaze in wonderment at how a lady could be urinating while standing.

She said, "The last time it happened to me, somebody even made a video and posted it via social media, inquiring as to whether they had at any point seen a lady standing to pee.

"He had first addressed me on why I was standing to pee. I made sense of everything for him, he actually posted the video via social media. That is the reason I chose to let individuals know that I'm a non-binary.

Talking about how her life changed since the episode, Obukoko said she turned out to be more aware of her body and began peeing at hidden places to try not to be humiliated.

She said, "I changed the example of my dressing and began to wear large outfits. In the event that I am pressed and need to ease myself, I search for a secret spot and stand to pee so I don't get humiliated. In the event that I don't find a secret spot, I'll keep down the pee till I return home."

Extorted, bombed relationship with men

Obukoko said she additionally attempted to keep up with heartfelt connections with men as the greater part of them, after learning about her condition, deserted or started to coerce cash from her.

She expressed, "Individuals outside my family didn't realize I'm intersex, aside from those I tell all alone. With respect to men, I get looked at however the relationship doesn't endure all the time."

On the off chance that a relationship is cultivated, Obukoko said along the line, it separates once the men figure out she is intersex.

She said, "Assuming I let them know who I am, some will remain back, while others won't actually answer to my messages once more. Some will profess to be cool with it yet when I show them what it looks like, they will take off.

"An even profess to in any case cherish me regardless of the condition however they would snap a photo of it and use it to coerce and blackmail me. I recall a man took steps to post my nudes via social media on the off chance that I didn't pay him to be quiet."

Obukoko said she continued to pay the individual for a really long time to conceal her insider facts until she got worn out.

"I recollected that he was the person who demanded having a video visit and advised me to show him my privates. I didn't realize he made a screen recording and began utilizing the image to blackmail me.

"He even vowed to send me $20, yet wound up coercing or blackmailing me. I imparted this to my friends who advised me to challenge his false front and allow him to do his most horrendously terrible."

Disheartened by the blackmail, particularly coming from somebody she trusted and presented her bareness to, and the bombed heartfelt connections she encountered with different men, Obukoko quit dating men and chose to be with ladies all things considered.

All things considered, she has a working masculinity.

Impregnating ladies

Her choice, she uncovered, prompted the birth of two wonderful children.

Talking about the first woman she dated, Obukoko said they were together for a brief time and even had a child together.

"We headed out in different directions since she let her kin know that she was unable to bring me out as the dad of the child," she said with a smile.

"She's embarrassed to show the world that an intersex individual is the dad of her kid. She took the youngster from me and took off. Yet, we both know that I'm the dad of the kid."

Inquired as to whether she actually sees the kid, she answered, "I see the kid every three months."

Despite the fact that the relationship didn't work out true to form, Obukoko was resolute and went into one more close connection that endured three years with another young lady.

"The 24-year-old woman brought forth a girl child about a month prior," she uncovered.
Like mother, similar to the child

In any case, Obukoko said the infant could have taken after her intersex nature as she found a few characteristics like hers.

Communicating concerns, Obukoko said, "I'm terrified to say it, this girl child  that is only a month old is intersex. I don't maintain that my kids should go through the thing I'm encountering at present. We believe we should perform a medical procedure for her, yet I'm terrified.

"I've not made any requests since when the child was conceived, everything was confusing. The male organ was little and that was the manner by which I was. Everything my mum educated me concerning myself is equivalent to the child. I'm apprehensive and confused at the present time, and I don't have any idea what to do."

In a medical research published in an online health repository, Cleveland Clinic, it was noticed that some intersex qualities could be hereditarily acquired.

As indicated by the site, being intersex could happen because of changes to an androgen hormone receptor gene. Natural or synthetic hormone exposure occurs during embryo development.

Inquired as to whether Obukoko was prepared to do corrective surgery on herself, she replied in the negative.

"I don't have the cash for that at the present time. The cash I have, I'm utilizing it for my kids. I'm additionally saving, however the cash isn't sufficient to complete the medical procedure," she said.

Drawn to ladies

Obukoko noticed that she is more drawn to ladies than men.

The woman, who said she is an ensured hairdresser, said, "That (the fascination) was the reason I quit functioning as a beautician. I'm constantly drawn to my female clients."

Source: Punch

Why this long story?
Of course you wouldn't blame Queen Obukoko if she has the means and go for a corrective surgical procedure or if she decides to carry out the corrective surgery on her new child that possess the trait too.

It's beyond our comprehension, if she didn't come out plainly, people would be thinking she's being a lesbian just for the sake of it, as you can see, you'll hardly know she has a male genital mere looking at her, if she isn't wearing a tight outfit.

There are people like Queen Obukoko out there and there are others with strong opposite gender's hormone that makes them feel they belong to the opposite class. Perhaps we should stop judging....
Posted by Biu
 - Aug 06, 2024, 01:44 AM
Some might have done the gender transformation because they are morally corrupt. Nevertheless, we still have few situations like the natural opposite gender hormone from birth, which maybe🤷shouldn't be criticized.
Posted by Ticam
 - Aug 04, 2024, 02:34 AM
Reason you may see a girl child who prefers playing with boy's toy or who admires, loves or prefers a typical man's profession and vise versa. It may just be due to the chromosomes present in 'em.
Posted by Congra
 - Aug 04, 2024, 01:41 AM
David Reimer was born on the 22nd of August 1965 as Bruce Peter Reimer and died on the 4th of May 2004.

He was a Canadian man raised as a girl heeding clinical guidance and mediation after his penis was seriously harmed during a faulty circumcision in infancy.

The analyst John Money supervised the case and announced the reassignment as fruitful and as proof that orientation character is essentially learned. The academic sexologist Milton Diamond later reported that Reimer's awareness that he was not a young lady happened between the ages of 9 and 11 years and that he was living as a male by the age of 15.

Notable in clinical circles for a really long time as the "John/Joan" case, Reimer later opened up to the world about his story to assist with putting comparable clinical practices down. He committed suicide at age 38, two days in the wake of being requested for a divorce from his wife, Jane Fotane.

Another case is that of Sophie Ottaway

Sophie Ottaway was brought into the world with an extremely intriguing condition which required prompt a medical procedure.

Cloacal exstrophy happens when the organs in the mid-region don't shape accurately in the belly, bringing about children brought into the world with organs like the bladder or digestion tracts outside the body.

Sophie Ottaway was brought into the world with an extremely intriguing condition

Specialists needed to work to save her life.

Her identity needed to be changed. Sophie was really a kid, with a small, harmed penis however sound testicles. Sophie remains healthy but she's got some things to say especially for parents and some adults like her

You may want to read more, so here's a footnote, Sophie Ottaway footnote

I understand you're talking about adults with chromosomes that do not fit into their gender and not those whose genders' have been changed from infancy but my point is, so far we can not blame those in the examples above if they decide to change to their birth identity again (which David Reimer did at a point), then, maybe we do no have the right to criticize those with "natural" high level of the opposite sex hormone if they so wish to change their gender too.
Posted by Mafy
 - Aug 04, 2024, 12:48 AM
That's why you don't judge people
Posted by Ruthk
 - Aug 04, 2024, 12:42 AM
There was a time I used to wonder how someone will wake up in his or life and decides that he or she wants to be a gay or lesbian. Like, what's in that crap to enjoy? I used to believe it's a psychological disorder.

So I started making some research and read somewhere that it's not a psychological issue but some people feel that they just do not belong to their physical gender. Like the science composition within them tell them something different from how people really see them. Hence, some of them start their journey with being gay and advance to transgender once they have the means.

PS: we shouldn't forget that not all gays are in this class, there are some that do it for irrelevant and irresponsible reasons.
Posted by Biu
 - Aug 04, 2024, 12:28 AM
I was reading this topic and something came to my mind. If some females have high level of testosterone (meaning low oestrogen in them) and some males have high level of oestrogen (meaning low testosterone), is it now safe to say some transgenders aren't to be criticized or blamed for changing their gender?
Perhaps it's because deep within them, most of them do not really feel like they belong to their former gender as they naturally have high level of the opposite gender's sex hormone from birth.

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